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Filtered comments Merry W. Ā· North East Side Ā· 1d PG&E in California has been doing this for years. They charge peak rates between 4 pm and 9 pm -- just when working folks are making dinner and preparing for the next day. Reply Share Karen Leslie Ā· Timacuan Ā· 1d Merry yes. Same in Virginia for years and years. Trying to encourage ppl to use less electricity during peak load hours. Reply Share Daniel Hylan Ā· Orlando, FL Ā· 1d Go solar! šŸ™Œ Reply Share Daniel Hylan Ā· Orlando, FL Ā· 1d With time of use batteries šŸ˜‰ Reply Share Marie M. Ā· Winter Park Estates Ā· 23h Ā· Edited Daniel Solar is worthless do the numbers.Absolutely.Worthless, you'll be dead before.It's paid off and if you just go ahead and pay it off at once.You're still not getting what you think.You're getting . that's why they have so many lawsuits on Solar panels And right here in winter park florida Reply Share Daniel Hylan Ā· Orlando, FL Ā· 23h Marie respectfully that is incorrect. Uninformed buyers do get ripped off by unethical sellers (same as many industries), but solar does work and you donā€™t need to wait to see benefits. Reply Share Jaime Valdes-Pages Ā· Willa Grove Ā· 22h Ā· Edited Marie - well, that must be so true (not!) because you say so, right? I have not paid Duke for 1kw used in 3 years. How is that is that worthless? All I pay for is my panels and that is less than my electric bill would be, AND it will not go up, yet here we are hearing abut rate hikes. On top of that get paid for any excess I produce every year which I sell back to Duke, so far Ive had a bill credit/payment every Feb/Mar. Solar customers are not affected by rate hikes as long as no power is drawn from the grid. Yes, solar is a horrible rip off, isn't? Reply Share Jaime Valdes-Pages Ā· Willa Grove Ā· 22h Daniel That's right. Only those who are not on solar say negative things about it. I am perfectly happy with my decision and its paying off. Reply Share Stephen Kopp Ā· Howell Creek & Eagles Watch Ā· 22h Marie Absolutely false - you are uninformed. You can be an informed consumer and make the numbers work for you. I return a substantial amount of kWh to the grid each month, for substantial cost savings. Reply Share Liz V. Ā· Orlando, FL Ā· 19h Daniel But then you pay for the panels over thousands. Reply Share Daniel Hylan Ā· Orlando, FL Ā· 19h Liz so can you pay off the utilities? Going solar locks you in at or below what youā€™re paying per month anyway, only difference is, youā€™ll never be done paying the utilityā€¦ Reply Share Don Napier Ā· Alafaya Woods Ā· 1d Ā· Edited Let me help you with my Duke Energy Magic 8-ball. *shakes vigorously* It says, "Go screw yourself." Reply Share Marie M. Ā· Winter Park Estates Ā· 23h Don You're absolutely correct. However, a lot of people have been calling our governor pertaining to this. Because he said he wanted to know if any of the power companies were doing this to people and from what I've heard a lot of people have complained to him and he made an announcement last week on the news Something was going to be done about this to lower power bills Reply Share William Bergin Ā· The Highlands Ā· 22h Marie he will not do anything,except smooth talk whoever will listen, as long as the lobbyists keep the cash flowing in his direction! Reply Share Don Napier Ā· Alafaya Woods Ā· 22h Ā· Edited Marie , howdy Marie. There is a group of five people usually ex Duke brass that votes on the cost of power in electricity in the state of Florida. Currently, all five were appointed by DeSantis. Here's a handy link for ya. Keep up the phone calls and cheers! https://www.psc.state.fl.us/meet-the-commissioners Reply Share Tom Bautz Ā· Remington Oaks Ā· 1d Supply and demand. Capitalism at work. Reply Share Cary Wagner Ā· Tuskawilla Trails Ā· 1d Tom more like lining pockets Reply Share Cindy Skrocki Ā· Oviedo, FL Ā· 1d I got the same email but donā€™t remember signing up for load management. When we moved here in 1998, the people before us had the installed box that would turn things off during peak times like AC. We stopped it because I worked at home. Will look at our bill. Reply Share David M. Ā· Garden Lake Estates Ā· 19h Peak usage rates are different from their energywise program. I think in the entire time having it I only noticed them throttle some things a couple times, and there was barely any impact from it. Like a water heater would normally keep the tank hot a long time even if it is turned off, so if they cycle it a few hours I'm probably not going to notice. What they're talking about is like charging more to run the AC during the day instead of at night. It might help for some things like a pool pump where you have a choice, but even that I like circulating when it is warmer and things tend to grow more. idk. I don't like the idea of time of day usage. It seems like the grid should be able to handle what is actually needed from it. If they're rolling out more solar, that would ramp up more during the day too so I don't see why they are doing this. I haven't gotten any notices though. Reply Share Jay Friz Ā· Alafaya Woods Ā· 1d Hmm our bill is set to be lower than last month's. We are not on any program...just poor slobs paying a utility bill. Reply Share Marie M. Ā· Winter Park Estates Ā· 23h Jay Same here.We're just doing the same thing Yes you. forget about these programs.We all get ripped in the end on them.We get ripped either way but it's better to keep off Those programs Reply Share Mark Moss Ā· Deans Landing Ā· 1d We live in 3rd world country where we can't even build power plants. All this wasted billions on wind & solar that can't handle peak demands. Start using the BBQ more and bathing in the ponds. Anyhow, you'd think they'd calculate the lower of the 2 options each month and bill it automatically. We need a couple nuclear plants and call it a day. šŸ˜Š Reply Share Allen Colston Ā· Orlando, FL Ā· 1d Mark lowering the rate would increase the usage and increase the demand. Reply Share Stephen Kopp Ā· Howell Creek & Eagles Watch Ā· 1d Mark Solar is worth it. Iā€™m not a climate change zealot, but went solar 3 years ago. Last monthā€™s Duke bill was $35. I also received a $12K direct tax credit for that first year after adding solar. It was not an inexpensive transition, but I integrated the solar cost (+ 2 backup batteries) with my home mortgage refinancing - so now I have 1 payment, and simplifies selling when we decide to move. The batteries give me 12-24 hours of full electric power, depending on how much we reduce other costly demands (like washer/dryer, excessive use of hot water heater, less demand on A/C running (but not 0), etc.). So far, zero maintenance and easy to control via phone app. Reply Share brian s. Ā· Crystal Bowl Ā· 1d Mark how does one know wind cant handle demand when wind farms have been shut down, turned OFF Reply Share Cary Wagner Ā· Tuskawilla Trails Ā· 1d brian when no wind and tons of birds dead, do people blow the wind or use fuel supplied generators to get them going...i believe we have gree energy tech. We will never get the benefit of truthfully. Reply Share Cary Wagner Ā· Tuskawilla Trails Ā· 1d *free Reply Share Lisa Blanck Ā· Lakewood Ā· 23h Mark this has zero to do with solar. zero. Reply Share Mark Moss Ā· Deans Landing Ā· 23h Stephen so you prepaid your electric bill and pay interest on it. Meanwhile, the equipment loses value rapidly as new technology comes out. Plus, when you go to sell, few people may want to take over the payments. Its hard enough for people to afford a home. People like me don't use much electricity nor can I use tax credits. I don't even plan to be in my current home long enough. Solar don't work for me. Reply Share Mark Moss Ā· Deans Landing Ā· 23h Lisa Utilities have invested greatly in solar dear and we pay for it. That's a big part of the rate increaes over the years. More efficient sources like clean coal or nukes would have provided a whole lot more ouncut. Meanwhile, households would also go solar. People have been going solar even at lower power rates. Reply Share Stephen Kopp Ā· Howell Creek & Eagles Watch Ā· 22h Mark Great, keep on paying a high electric bill! I will also enjoy lower rates if/when they are implemented. Note - I have a single mortgage payment that includes the solar costs that I integrated into the new loan when I refinanced (at a much lower interest rate). So, when I sell itā€™s all up to me and what Iā€™m able to sell for, less current home loan balance. There are no separate payments for a buyer to ā€œtake over.ā€ The solar company also has upgrade initiatives to move to new roof-mounted panels / system controllers as the technology further matures. Same for the outside wall-mounted Enphase batteries (which are rated almost as high as Tesla batteries, but considerably less expensive - an at the time, didnā€™t have a 6+ month supply chain wait for delivery). It takes time to research for the best deals available, from reputable companies. Reply Share Lisa Blanck Ā· Lakewood Ā· 19h Mark there is no such thing as clean coal. stop it. Do you want a nuclear power plant in your backyard? Maybe build it in Crane's Roost. I know... tear down the I4 Eyesore and put in a nuclear plant there. People will continue to go solar. Here's a fact: in NC, ya know, that state where they had a hurricane that tore through it and have gotten no help from the government? Well, the solar companies are putting in their solar panels to help, at free or low cost. That's a fact. Reply Share Barry Green Ā· Sanlando Springs South Ā· 19h Stephen Wow ! I thought it was free? Lol Reply Share David M. Ā· Garden Lake Estates Ā· 19h Ā· Edited Stephen That's interesting. I wasn't sure how solar affected roof maintenance though and it was hard to get good answers. Also the batteries were expensive enough that they looked like they would be paying themselves off by the time they would be end of life. If I had your power bill I'd be saving $100/mo (maybe less because you're still paying some costs through the mortgage), but even $100/mo would take a very long time to reach a positive return (but a $12k tax credit changes things a lot, so that may make it worth it). Does it affect insurance at all given the roof impact? Are you on the hook for getting them removed before a roofer can do work or does insurance cover all of those costs as part of a claim, e.g. for a bad storm or hurricane damage, and does that mean they charge a higher premium because of it? I'm curious how that actually works because the folk they send out door to door are just minimum wage salesmen with no real knowledge. It seemed a lot safer to invest in more efficient appliances for now, including a heat pump water heater. Reply Share Mark Moss Ā· Deans Landing Ā· 17h Stephen I don't pay high bills. One thing is for sure, I won't have a solar equipment bill that is higher than my savings on electricity, nor will I owe money (or have it in a mortgage) longer than I will own my home. Reply Share Rick Schumann Ā· Seminole Ā· 15h Mark Fine. Youā€™ve done the math and solar doesnā€™t work for you. But, it does work for millions of people around the world and it works for me. Solar is now the cheapest way to produce electricity and it is getting cheaper by the day as the technology improves. Iā€™m guessing you bought a cell phone years ago when they were big, clunky and expensive and newer models were coming out every day that were better. Was that a mistake? Stop making fun of people for doing what makes sense to them when it has no bearing on you and you donā€™t have all of the facts. Reply Share Rick Schumann Ā· Seminole Ā· 14h Mark Clean coal? There is no such thing and producing electricity by burning coal is more expensive than solar. More than 60% of the new energy added to the grid last year came from solar because it is the cheapest way to produce electricity and is getting cheaper every year. https://seia.org/research-resources/us-solar-market-insight/ Reply Share John Galloway Ā· The Landings Ā· 1d FL started doing this in the 80s and at some point, I guess they dropped it. We were doing dishes and laundry at night. There are many countries that are using wind and solar with great success. They don't have gas and other companies doing everything they can to stop them from being successful. Reply Share Lisa Blanck Ā· Lakewood Ā· 23h John I do the same. Dishes, laundry overnight. Reply Share See 6 more replies Normalina Martin Ā· Orlando, FL Ā· 1d šŸ˜³ OMG!! What are they considering ā€œpeakā€ hours!? Donā€™t we all use electricity ALL day!!? Reply Share brian s. Ā· Crystal Bowl Ā· 1d Normalina no, wonder if you can get an hour by hour usage from Duke ? you can get an hour by hour usage of your water from city of Casselberry Reply Share See 3 more replies Jaime Valdes-Pages Ā· Willa Grove Ā· 1d Ā· Edited I just got that too. However, I am not impacted as I am on solar and have not drawn power from the grid in 3 years. Reply Share Kim Allison-Ims Ā· Cranes Roost Ā· 22h Jaime Yes me too! SOLAR is the way of the future! You used to be able to get 26% income tax credit, but I am sure this Admin.... stopped any credit for green energy, but worth checking into! Reply Share See 3 more replies Dennis Ramsey Ā· Oviedo, FL Ā· 1d Ā· Edited Darn electric cars charged at home Reply Share Lisa Blanck Ā· Lakewood Ā· 23h Dennis people usually charge them overnight. This has nothing to do with that. Reply Share See 3 more replies brian s. Ā· Crystal Bowl Ā· 1d is it a bonafide offer to choose a plan that fits your needs? or is it just a scam? can you actually realize any savings or reduction in your bill? Reply Share Jeff Alexander Ā· Crossings Lakewood Ā· 23h I received no notice, but I just received my latest bill. Up $40.00 Reply Share Lisa Blanck Ā· Lakewood Ā· 23h Duke knows they're completely unfettered in FL, so they do what they want. I can't have solar bc I'm in a condo, though I would if I could. I can definitely advise people to NOT do that "set your monthly billing to one price every month' they offer. You will get ripped off. It's not recommended by any consumer organization. I do pay my Duke electric through this company: https://www.solsystems.com/. It adds just a tiny amount to your bill, but they utilize the funds for clean energy. I've been doing this for at least 5 years, when it was offered by Arcadia. Arcadia was bought by Sol. No increase in my small fee and I'm helping the environment. Here's more info, if you're interested. https://www.solsystems.com/impact/ Reply Share Charles Rich Ā· Sterling Park South Ā· 22h It makes sense. When there is peak demand time they have to use more costly means to supply the power we all need. They are trying to get customers to use more power when it is cheaper, like running the dish washer or electric clothes dryer at those times and putting a timer on an electric hot water heater. Reply Share Joy Priem Ā· Cedarwood Village Ā· 22h Donā€™t hold your breath! Reply Share Alicia Letzo-Cantillo Ā· Hollowbrook Ā· 19h Oh Wow. Let us know I suppose the rates will be even higher just when we are getting into the 90s dont they know the prices of eggs and groceries? Reply Share Sandy Doyle Ā· Sterling Park South Ā· 17h Monopoly Reply Share Mylene Davis Ā· Hidden Lake Ā· 16h I just spent 45 minutes arguing to no avail. $102 up from last month. No changes in my household. They told me to pay for an electrician! I miss FPL Reply Share Daniel Hylan Ā· Orlando, FL Ā· 15h If anyone here wants to see about avoiding these peak charges by going solar with energy storage, dm me. I was in installation and operations for 10 years and I have a connection with a local solar company still that would do you right! Reply Share Angela Lurvey Ā· Lakeside Estates Ā· 12h We got solar panels 3 years ago. 10 kw system and its paying for itself. Our bill are 30 in winter and 72 in summer for 4000sq foot home on 74 year round. Go solar. Its worth it. 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a 21-17 lead. The Steelers had the ball, and it was a fourth-and-9 situation from the Dallas 41-yard line with just a little over a minute to play in the game. Instead of punting the ball deep into Cowboys territory, Noll chose to run the ball. Pittsburgh running back Rocky Bleier gained two yards, and Dallas regained possession of the ball. Why did Noll decide not to punt the ball? He had in effect granted his opponent at least 30 yards of vital real estate by not punting. Well, Noll knew that his punter -- Bobby Walden -- had dropped a snap earlier in the first quarter that indirectly led to a Cowboys touchdown. He also knew that his defense had stifled the Dallas offense for most of the second half. Noll's decision was an act of faith in his Steel Curtain defense, and they responded by intercepting a Cowboys pass on the final play of the game and preserving Pittsburgh's victory. If you would like to watch the NFL Films' highlight film from Super Bowl X, click on the link below to check it out. I realize that hindsight is 20/20, but if you were in Noll's place, would you have punted the ball in that situation? Why or why not? I'm curious to read your responses to that question. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKOqePKSr9c&t=120s See less Comments Top fan Anthony Cochran Logic dictates that you punt, but Noll had more confidence in his defense than his punter. Since it worked, you canā€™t argue. Did add some intrigue though. 31w Reply Cedric Cain Anthony Cochran i think in todays game, that wouldnā€™t be a good decision. Back then it was tough for offenses to move the ball, especially vs great defenses. Negate the fluke opportunity for the opponent. Steeler special teams was shitty all the way around in that game. 30w Reply Top fan Tally Johnson Got one of the all-time greatest defenses ever.. I'd make the same call. 31w Reply John Milko Tally Johnson correction. THE greatest defense of all time 30w Reply Top fan Tally Johnson John Milko true 30w Reply Top fan Mikey Drew Should have punted regardless of Walden. He kept Walden on the roster in training camp and all season. He should have had some faith in him 31w Reply Top fan Jim Pardo Well if Staubach would have connected with Piercy Howard on that one Hail Mary pass that bounced off his chest that would have been remembered as one of the worst coaching decisions ever! The Cowboys had a couple shots at the end zone to win it at the end of the game but came up short, so in hindsight it worked out for the Steelers. 31w Reply Kareem Moreland Shaky punting game + that awesome defense? Just about a no brainer imo. Steelers entire kicking game had issues that game. The PK had bruised ribs while tackling on a kickoff and that affected him. Jack Lambert helped him out with Cliff Harris lol. 31w Reply Edited Top fan Mark Dentini Chuck Noll was always known for being so business-like, and not a guy to show much emotion. It was once written about him, that after one of the Steeler's Super Bowl victories, when Chuck saw his wife, he shook her hand. 31w Reply Edited Top fan Robert Schratz I would have punted and relied on the Curtain to get the ball back within four snaps; however if I had gone for it I would have had Bradshaw throw a deeper ball oppose to running ā€” pick basically turns into a punt, or get a completion, or an interference call, with risk of sack/incompletion. Or possibly execute another ā€˜Immaculate Receptionā€™. Yep, I would have punted. 31w Reply Top fan Derek Day Robert Schratz Bradshaw was knocked out of the game with a concussion by that point. Terry Hanratty came into the game and handed off to Franco and Rocky 4 straight downs. 31w Reply Jeff Belding The punt seems like the right call, but these kinds of decisions that ended up working made these guys into legends! 31w Reply Rob Roy I always felt sorry for Bobby Walden, and what that did for his psyche. He also had a punt blocked in Super Bowl IX that gave Minnesota it's only touchdown. I remember the year that I lived in Bainbridge, GA. (1987) that Bobby Walden also lived there. I was in the only liquor store in town when someone pulled up to the drive-thru. After he left, the owner mentioned it was Bobby Walden. Being a big Steeler fan, I asked if he knew who he was. He said yes, but that Bobby never talked about his NFL years. I can only think that his Super Bowl experiences contributed to that. That being said, Chuck certainly knew what he was doing, and I'll always be glad he made that call. 31w Reply Top fan William Gates I was just happy he chose to go for it, giving the Cowboys a slim hope. But were I in his shoes, I would have punted: get Roger Staubach and Drew Pearson as far from the end zone as possible. 31w Reply Chris Stewart Little known fact: Noll incorrectly thought the clock would continue to run during the change of possession. This had been the rule several years earlier but it had been updated in the early 70s. If you watch a replay of the game after the 4th down play, you can see his frustration yelling at the officials on why they stopped the clock. 31w Reply Top fan Tom Watkins I have a ton of respect for Coach Noll, but I would have punted. Walden would have been told to treat it like an end zone-end line punt, 1 step and away. If Walden had that much anxiety about fielding the snap, I would have inserted his backup with thā€¦ See more 31w Reply Joseph A. Ciccolini Not just a dropped snap. Pittsburgh's special teams were a disaster all day. Dallas's only real chance was a Hail Mary. In 1975, there was no spiking the ball to stop the clock, and very few teams even practiced a two minute drill. Going 61 yards in under a minute, against a defense that was allowed to bump receivers all the way down the field, was much harder than today. 30w Reply Rock Hoffman Noll had more confidence in his defense than his punter, still it had to be a hard decision. In reality, they didn't give up that much field position by going for it. You have to assume Dallas is going to do an all out rush so if Walden gets the punt away, it's likely going to be a touch back so they only gave them about 20 yards by running it on 4th down. It would have taken real guts but instead of running on 4th down, I'd have thrown a pass, the clock is going to stop anyway so an incompletion is no big deal and maybe you surprise the Cowboys and get a first down. (Easy to say almost 50 years down the road, I know) 31w Reply Top fan Gordon Gartrelle With the men on the Steelers defense, it was the right call. 31w Reply Lee Passmore Gordon Gartrelle The only other defenses that could have made that decision work without hesitation would be the 1985 Bears and 2000 Ravens. 31w Reply Top fan Gordon Gartrelle Lee Passmore Can't disagree with you. 31w Reply Top fan Andrew Gier I personally would have punted. But whoā€™s to argue with a hall of fame coach who won 4 Super Bowls. 31w Reply Top fan Shelton Walden It was a gutsy decision, but Noll knew his team...also, in those first two championships that the Steelers won, the kicking team were DEFINITELY the weak link - Walden and Gerela were @ times awful. 31w Reply Gregory Larson Whatā€™s not mentioned in this post ā€” and what is mentioned in the NFL Films official highlight film ā€” is that the Cowboys came close to blocking two other Walden punts in the game. It likely made Nollā€™s decision that much easier from his standpoint. 31w Reply Author The NFL in the 1970s Gregory Larson I didnā€™t want to reiterate everything in the film. I left that info out on purpose. 31w Reply Top fan Anthony Cochran Gregory Larson Especially since in that situation, the Cowboys probably would have gone all out for the block. Noll preferred his defense to taking that chance. 31w Reply Mike Cibulas Gregory Larson plus the blocked punt the year before in SB IX that gave Minnesota their only points of the dayā€¦ 31w Reply Top fan Rod Sikora Well, Walden punted for the Steelers for another two years, and unless there was more evidence than one dropped snap, then Noll should have punted. He almost lost the game by not punting. 31w Reply Edited Steve Hicks There were several mishaps on both sides in the kicking game Both in placekicks and punts. You had the aforementioned drop by Walden . Dallas had a punt blocked too. Two other Steeler punts were nearly blocked by Dallas. Noll lacked confidence in the ā€¦ See more 31w Reply Edited Top fan Charles Dailey Before his NFL career, Bobby Walden led the CFL in punting, rushing, and receiving as a member of the Edmonton Eskimos in 1961 and 1962. He was gone after the 1977 season. 31w Reply Top fan Jeff Randall Never give Staubach a glimmer of hope. The dude will be throwing into the endzone before time runs out. 31w Reply Tad Davis Seems an unwise decision to me, especially considering Dallas had a last-minute miracle win just three weeks earlier against Minnesota. That said, did the Steelers have any special teams breakdowns earlier that gave Noll reason for concern? Was his punter not fully healthy? 31w Reply Top fan Cecil Battiste Tad Davis Walden dropped the ball while attempting to punt early in the game which lead to a Dallas TD. But, the Steelers blocked a punt in Q4 getting a safety and on the ensuing possession got a FG. The Steelers should have punted. 31w Reply Top fan Jacob Ladder Burke Jr. Cecil Battiste The Steelers special teams (other than the blocked punt that sparked their 4th quarter rally) had a difficult afternoon (Walden's dropped snap, two punts nearly getting blocked, Roy Gerela - having injured his ribs tackling Hollywood Henā€¦ See more 31w Reply Top fan Raymond Scott It turned out to be a great decision only because Percy Howard didnā€™t get turned around. The ball bounced off of his shoulder! 31w Reply Top fan Joseph Bee Raymond Scott Not sure if Percy could have caught that. He had like 3-4 Steelers around him. Some accounts state that it may have been pass interference. But I guess they were all going for the ball...... 31w Reply Top fan Raymond Scott Nick, someone in this group posted a gif of it. No Steeler touched it. All Percy had to do is get turned about 90 degrees toward scrimmage. He could have used his body to block off any Steeler if he had turned more toward 180 degrees. Makes me wonder if Pearson might have caught that pass. Here is a shot that sort of tells the story. No photo description available. 31w Reply Top fan Scott Hume Giants HC Brian Daboll made a subtly brilliant decision near the end of the game against Seattle yesterday. With under a minute to play, he elected to go for two points up by 9 after the improbable blocked kick TD. if he had attempted a kick, the Seahawks might have blocked the kick and ran it back for two points, making it a 7 point game. Instead, the Giants knelt down on the two point try, not giving the Seahawks an opportunity to recover a fumble. Down by 9, all the Giants could do was try to score twice in 55 seconds. 31w Reply Top fan Brian Moline I definitely would have punted. But I'd say it worked out okay for Chuck. 31w Reply Alan Johnson A punt that pins the Cowboys deep is a great outcome. A failed punt is a disaster. A touchback, which is fairly likely, only nets you 19 yards over what they actually got with that run. Going for it may not have been the best play (a pass that can actuā€¦ See more 31w Reply Top fan John Fisher Bobby Walden almost cost the Steelers TWO Super Bowls. He got a punt blocked in SBIX and his pathetic performance in Super Bowl X made the game come down to the final play. 31w Reply Michael Carson D E F EN S E. D E F E N CE the only thing that wins championships ļæ¼ 31w Reply Edited Brian Vilz Best of the best ever šŸ†šŸˆ Rough n Tough Era šŸ’ŖšŸ¼šŸ”„ Coach Chuck Noll ā­ and the 70s Steelers āœØšŸ–¤šŸ’›šŸ–¤šŸ’› 31w Reply Top fan Walter Neuberger He didn't have any confidence his punting game . It turned out to be a good decision. 31w Reply Top fan Joseph Bee The NFL Films highlight film shows some Steeler players that were quite angry with the call. Just wondering if those scenes of their disgruntled faces were really a reaction to Noll's decision or just random shots of the players' faces throughout the game and edited to show they were really concerned about his call to go for it? 31w Reply Top fan Cedrick Farrior This is a classic example of looking at the difference between a risk versus a gamble. With a risk there are ways to mitigate the risk to ensure that if the outcome is survivable if the risk failed. Coach Nollā€™s saw his defense as a mitigating factor because of their performance up until that point. A gamble would have been if Dallasā€™ offense had been having success and Coach Nollā€™s decision had the potential of giving the Dallas Cowboys offense a short field and the potential for a game winning drive. This has happened before when Head Coaches decide to go for it on the fourth down because they have no confidence in their defense that if they choose to punt then they may not get the ball back. 31w Reply Edmond Grandizio I was at that SB and Mike Webster came off the field highly pissed off after that staring at the coaching staff. I'd have punted and pinned them inside their own 20. 30w Reply Top fan Allen Maddox It was no so much of a risk, is that he followed was the path of the highest probability of success. He put the closure of the game on the defense, his strength for much of the season. In a Decision Making Science Theory, is was the lessor risk. 31w Reply Doug Bayne I would wager that Roger Staubachā€™s eyes lit up! Hail Mary 2 had a very real chance. 31w Reply Michael Morris Doug Bayne Yea, you could never count Staubach out of a game, dude was tough, and I say that as a Steelers fan. 31w Reply Robert Curry The defense could have been even more aggressive with 80+ yards to defend rather than 60. Not to mention the time factor. Punt! 31w Reply Top fan Paul Michalski I would have punted it out of bounds. If it had been 4th and 4 or so from around the 36 where it would be a long FG, then a run would be appropriate. You also need to remember Bradshaw was out of game too 31w Reply Top fan Martin Kearney I wouldnā€™t do it today with the rules set in favor of the offense and place kickers whose range and accuracy has improved significantly since the mid 70s. I would try a coffin corner punt and hope it wasnā€™t blocked. 31w Reply Top fan Joel Rodriguez Didn't Walden get hurt earlier in that game making a tackle? 31w Reply Top fan Chris Siebenmorgen The outcome of the game doesn't necessarily make it a great or even good call. Those Steeler special teams were their weak link for sure, but if your defense is what you believe in, then you make it that much harder for the opponent by making them have to go farther to score. It was not a good call, but it didn't come back to bite them. 31w Reply Top fan Anthony DeVincenzo Coach Noel made the right decision. He saw all day that his placekicker & his punter made negative plays as John Facenda stated instead of letting his special teams decide the end of the game he left to his stellar Steel Curtain defense! No, I didnā€™t watch the film, but I can recall the highlights of that Super Bowl over and over in my mind. Mr. Fender was the voice of God !ļæ¼ 31w Reply Mark Faressa Iā€™m punting but Noll is a legendary HOFamer and Iā€™m on my couch 31w Reply James MacIsaac Itā€™s really playing with fire to give the ball back to Roger Staubach with any time on the clock and a chance for him to drive for the winning score. He was the original Captain Comeback. But luckily for Noll it worked out. 31w Reply Top fan Reggie Nulan Noll trusted his team.I would have did exactly what he did if i had his insight.He was a great Coach.Loved that he never lost a super bowl. 31w Reply Edited Keith Froehlich No it wasn't. They lost track of the downs. And the rules. According to Sports illustrated, during the game, as soon as Rocky Bleier was tackled? The Steelers assistant coaches started screaming to the officials booth next door to them that the clock was still running. They were reminded through the glass, that the clock stopped on change of possession. 31w Reply Edited Mark Mort Punt, punt, punt. Bad call by one of the best coaches ever in the NFL. But it worked out because he had the best defense ever in the NFL. 31w Reply Steve Jaros It was then and now a bone-headed decision IMO that almost cost the Steelers the game. 31w Reply Bekalu Woldmichael Cincinnati Bengals when will we be this confident 31w Reply Top fan Brian Smith Great coach 31w Reply Mark Collins Not one penalty called on the Steelers the entire game, thereā€™s your ballgame pal 31w Reply Top fan Anthony Cochran Mark Collins Only 2 penalties were called on the Cowboys in that game. The refs just decided to let the players settle it on the field that day. 31w Reply Fred Rottura Above all, Coach Chuck Noll knew his team and knew his opponent. It matters what he did, at the time. What I may do, depends on what game, what time, who is playing. He made the Right decision, because he won. 31w Reply Top fan John S. Geary Incredibly ballsy call. I sure donā€™t think I wouldā€™ve been going - especially on fourth and nine. ļæ¼ 31w Reply Top fan Doug Jones Thats great coaching 31w Reply Justin M. Ezyk Coach Carson Michael Carson 31w Reply Top fan Richard Cuda Great coach 31w Reply Paul Coffey Rathert Easy choice as it worked, had Dallas scored, he'd have been ripped for decades 31w Reply Doug Pauly Well, the Steelers won, so Noll becomes a genius! But if Dallas had scored, we'd still be talking about what an 'idiot' Noll was. That's how these things work. The write up says Walden mishandled a snap in the first quarter. Did the Steelers punt at all after that? If yes, how did they go? Was the Steelers coverage of them good? By the book, Noll's choice was wrong. I personally wouldn't have done it. I punt the ball. Let's review a few things here. Walden played TEN YEARS for the Steelers. He was on the Vikings for four years before that, and in the CFL before that! He is a member of the Steelers All-Time team! So Noll suddenly losing confidence in him doesn't make sense, especially if it was over ONE snap earlier in the game. Bradshaw was out, so Hanratty was QBing Pittsburgh. If a punt was not to be had, why not take a chance on a long bomb? The clock is going to stop with the change of possession. Maybe you score, maybe you get a pass interference call! Regardless, Noll's decision remains a head scratcher. Dallas made some mistakes on their final drive that helped Pittsburgh out. I think Noll got away with one. 31w Reply Edited Most relevant is selected, so some comments may have been filtered out.


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